Launched earlier this year, the Innovation Matters Podcast shines a light on some of the best and brightest entrepreneurs and innovators, where Talitha Heaton and Ronny Munster interview guests to uncover some relatable truths on the entrepreneurial journey.

In a world where social media adds a filter to everything, and the bigger brand success stories often gain the largest audience, we’re on a mission to share stories of failure, hardship – and also successes – as experienced by business owners and experts as they go through it.

In this episode, husband and wife co-founders, Ben Shoshan and Marika Cysouw, give us a masterclass in adaptability, resilience and leadership in this episode. They started their business, Open Water, on the heels of a recession, working to ‘transform mindsets and behaviours’ in corporations experiencing change – an offering traditionally delivered face to face.